Bugs and Requested Features for Liquid 5.5

Bugs needing fixed in Liquid 5.5
Requested Features for Liquid 5.5
Links to Old Liquid Software Forum

 

5.5 Bugs needing Fixed   - Web Board Link
We have listed these bugs as a service to our members. This is a primarily a Liquid 5.5 site as Liquid 6 is too new for our evaluation. We support Liquid Edition and feel it is a great piece of software. We are disappointed that fixes for these issues as well as minor improvements did not come out for version 5.5 before the new version 6 was released.  We have been told a 5.5 patch (possibly called Liquid 5.6) will be released now that 6.0 has been released. We support Pinnacle and their employees and appreciate their dedication and hard work. This is great software and our objective is to help make it even better. We will correct any inaccuracies in this posting as soon as we know. Please let us know if you have additional issues or fixes or other comments. Contact Us Here.

Tony Terrana, author of  Dive Into Liquid Edition, has provided some insight to many of the issues listed in our bug report- thanks Tony !   I think his big point is that current graphics card driver, chipset driver, direct X update, bios updates are important to assisting with trying to resolve some of these issues. He says Liquid Edition is like a race car. It is on the cutting-edge of technology, and requires a reasonable amount of preventative maintenance such as driver updates, a clean windows environment, and defragmentation.  (User Comment:  Good insight - of course when we bought it we were hoping it would run on our current machine that met Pinnacle's specs for 5.5 without having to have the latest and most up to date equipment.)

   
Liquid 5.5 is not supported for Windows XP Service Pack 2 Some users have installed SP2 and have no issues. Others have had issues. Pinnacle support has announced that it will not support SP2 with Liquid 5.5. We feel Liquid 5.5 should support SP2 as SP2 is a recommended upgrade for XP. 
Pixel shift on Snapshot capture Snapshot a clip with an applied effect and there is a shift when the clip is placed on the timeline. Right now you have to inactivate all effects on clips before snapshoting if you don't want that pixel shift.  This happens for sure for some with the Radeon 8500 Pro Card that comes with 5.5 Liqud Pro - and may happen with some other video cards, but not all.
  Tony Terrana Suggestion -  I've seen this with some graphics cards, but if the effect has been rendered out, the slice at the top of the timeline is green, then the snapshot shouldn't have the pixelshift.

(Note: although this is a good suggestion, on my machine with the 5.5 ProCard I still get this issue even after the top slice is green.)

Audio Editor not refreshing after modification - When you modify in audio editor from timeline,  you have to exit editor and toggle sound icon (or any icon) on the track to update the modification to play correctly from  timeline. WebBoard link
  Tony Terrana Suggestion:  .... using the audio ramps works if you are having issues with the crossfade. Try using CTRL+Click when you are holding your mouse over the volume line of the audio. Now, I will note that the audio undo doesn't work, and has not since version 1. I would love to see that fixed. Otherwise, I simply mark in and out the range on my timeline with the keyframes and use the delete audio keyframes within range button.

(Note: this bug is mentioned in Paul Mitton's "Mind Meld" training DVD)

Audio undo doesn't work  
Timeline may need manual  refresh to green after a render.  
Rendering needs to be deleted then updated on copies of sequences or containers After creating containers or opening containers from a copied sequence to a new sequence, video displays clips not on timeline at that edit point. Deleting rendered files and re-rendering appears to fix the issue - so it is assumed the render files are becoming somewhat scrambled.
  Tony Terrana Suggestion:I have seen this with some graphical formats and quicktime files. I've found simply dragging and dropping any one of the files in question to anyplace on the timeline and then deleting it forces Edition to relink to the "lost" media links.

(Note: This error is not a relinking error but an error in displaying rendered files on the timeline)

Relinking Lost Media links requires dragging a file to timeline and then deleting .
  Tony Terrana Suggestion: I have seen this with some graphical formats and quicktime files. I've found simply dragging and dropping any one of the files in question to anyplace on the timeline and then deleting it forces Edition to relink to the "lost" media links.
stuidomod error Unknown causes, usually observed during edits when certain functions (moves,copies, inserts) are not responding correctly. Upon exit of Edition, the Studiomod errors shows up
  Tony Terrana Suggestion: Inevitably no matter what system you have, crashes will happen. I've had a system lock up on Microsoft Word before. I find that when I have a lockup the fastest way to get back to where I was is to press CTRL+ALT+DEL, go to processes and end the studio.mod process, this takes way less time then ending the task. Also, sometimes rebooting your system does not clear out all of the mess in the RAM on your motherboard and GPU, the caches on your hard drives and CPUs. Sometimes the best solution for getting back to where you were is to do a complete shutdown. This clears out all of the above mentioned hardware, and gives you a fresh operating environment to work in.

Liquid Edition is like a race car. It is on the cutting-edge of technology, and requires a reasonable amount of preventative maintenance such as driver updates, a clean windows environment, and defragmentation.

ToolTip lockup error All of the sudden Liquid stops working or at the end of an editing session where you have to  END the program, you get a Tooltip error saying ToolTip is not responding.  It seems to be almost like the canary in a mine in that when it goes, something more serious is at hand.
 WebBoard Link
  Tony Terrana Suggestion:  See StudioMod error
Delete Media Inconsistencies You capture a media clip, then another. In project manager you decide to delete the first media clip, you choose clip and media file, LE55 asks if you really want to, you say YES, the picon for the first clip is gone and you get an large ! in the second clip and it has been deleted also. File manager reveals original medial of both clips have been deleted
  Tony Terrana Suggestion: The only time I've seen this sort of thing is when one uses the same reel and has the same timecode on their tape. LE deals with metadata, rather than the actual video files. So, if you have reel 1 and some clips from reel one that have overlapping time code, then you will delete all the files in the overlapping time code region when you delete one. This can be confusing, but can easily be avoided through constant timecode, and reel organization
Smoothness of Pan and Scan not up to par  to many users, the smoothness is not on the same par as those of Premier Pro
  Tony Terrana Suggestion: I'm not a Premier PRO user, so I can't directly comment, but I would say the pan and scan is on par or above with Adobe After Effects. That goes for the slow motion with mixed fields as well. The Pan and Scan is a sub-pixel render when used with the classic 2D or 3D editors, and is of a very high quality. I have noticed some jerkiness with certain graphics, and have been able to alleviate that issue by going into the options tab of the effect editor and choosing render frames rather than fields.
 
Undo sometimes works and sometimes not WebBoard Link
DVD- Audio Crackling Web Board Link
  Tony Terrana Suggestion: I had the same issue in 5.5 DVDs, and was able to alleviate this issue by using a recording program like Record Now to burn the image file that Edition creates. Also note that Pinnacle did post a number of updates relating to DVD burning and compatibility for 5.5 that addressed some of these similar issues. Also, you will note that DVDs created in 6.0 are infinitely more compatible with set-top DVD players than those created in v5.5. Mostly do to AC3 audio encoding, but other issues also seem to be resolved. v6 does seem to have some audio issues with imported audio. Until they release a patch for this I would suggest deactivating all tracks and fusing the problem audio without any edits on it. This gets the audio into a format that Edition fully understands in conjunction with your current hardware/software situation, and full/non-problematic editing is then possible.

Other Suggestions: Crackling seemed to occur when Keyframes and audio fx were placed on seperate audio tracks. The only workaround was to dump the timeline to tape and recapture it on to combined tracks. It was the render to burn or the fuse operations which induced the audio crackle. LE 6 is said not to have problems with this issue.

DVD- Burn Multi-Copies does not work If you check make multiple copies in burning a DVD, it never allows you to make multiple copies.
Image 1 PCM audio out of Sync When Burning Iamage as DVD with Image1, you need to use MP2 and should have CRC checked. Using PCM the audio is out of sync.
Undo for Audio Does not Work  
Linear Timewarp Editor Can't create dissolves when you used it. You have to fuse the sequence first and then dissolve...
  Other Suggestions:  This is probably some system problem as it does not occur on most machines
Audio Volume Control does not work On  machines using the Pro card, the audio volume control icon on the bottom toolbar does not work

 

Requested Features for update to 5.5

Professional Web Board Link to Requests             Software WebBoard Link to Feature Requests
Delete clip (title, sequence, etc.) checkbox should be checked by default  
   
apply duration change to multiple clips If you have to change duration on multiple clips on timeline, you have to do it one at a time. Even in 6.0  you still have modify duration of clips on  the timeline one at a time. (You copy the clips to a rack in 6.0 you can change duration for the entire rack - then paste the rack back - still clumsy)
absolute and variable keyframes when you keyframe a clip and then modify it's length,  the keyframes adjust to new length and timing is modified. An absolute keyframe option would keep the keyframes as placed, even if clip's length was modified. Very frustrating as while fusing the clip makes the keyframe permanent, you lose the adjustable keyframes. Webboard
Smartsound plugin  Tons of posts on the old software forum - most are now deleted - but this may have been the #1 requested feature
Better media management with backup system One-Button" or "one-command" LE project archive or backup feature done in 6.0 - limited to 4.6 gigs (no spanning of DVD's or CD's - which shouldn't be a problem if you captured naming tapes correctly and you labeled your tapes correctly.
DVD authoring improvements No AC3 support for importing or encoding (2.0 or 5.1 either one)  (done in Liquid 6)
No subtitles
No multiple audio tracks
No 16:9 menus
Mediocre or Poor mpeg2 encoder (improved in Liquid 6.0)
Limited in authoring capabilities
No InstantSave of Authoring
NO Background Encoding
No multiple VTS
No multiple angles
No "Play All" script (mentioned earlier)
 
Motion Tracking (like Commotion) A half stab has been made at this in 6.0
audio timewarp done in 6.0
  All transition picons should be animated
  Make width of a Track’s “Name field” user adjustable.
MultiCam done in 6.0
Plug-In functionality magic bullet, vst, smartsoud, and open code for more independent supported plugins
Old Movie Filter  
import Flash files ??
Title Deko improvements  
Be able to view Title safe  in all editors  

 

Old Liquid Software Forum:  you can no longer access this forum directly from Pinnacle's web site. However, if you want to review some of these posts (not all of them are there any more), here are some links that may help.
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